tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post1243459631190386414..comments2023-11-02T02:57:39.035-07:00Comments on Rebecca Taylor LibDem: Use of electronic cigarettes: blanket bans are not appropriate!Rebecca Taylor LibDemhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03302598487045319831noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-25922336300800843262017-06-05T01:56:25.471-07:002017-06-05T01:56:25.471-07:00The new innokin endura t20 is already a very popul...The new <a href="https://vapesourcing.com/innokin-endura-t20-starter-kit.html" rel="nofollow">innokin endura t20</a> is already a very popular item. Because of this, many different types have been created. This can be great because it offers many different options for all different types of people. Buy in <a href="https://vapesourcing.com/" rel="nofollow">e cigarette for sale online</a> with pleasure.<br />Jie Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13486102008201842675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-29002872486548434262014-05-04T08:22:04.728-07:002014-05-04T08:22:04.728-07:00I do not think it is a good idea to vape in a hosp...I do not think it is a good idea to vape in a hospital ward, what about the patients who have lung disease or heart problems? My family and I have all suffered from the "vapour" from e-cigs in restaurants, in fact one member said it was like someone was smoking! Unless you know what is in every e-cig please do not presume that they are all safe, just read the literature from FDA, BMA etc.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569863022687746238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-25128584387025523412014-02-14T00:07:08.485-08:002014-02-14T00:07:08.485-08:00I can see the logic for bans in certain areas, for...I can see the logic for bans in certain areas, for example in a school except in the staff room where only teachers can enter, or in a hospital ward, but not in the canteen, cafe or public waiting areas of the hospital. <a href="http://queenvapors.com/" rel="nofollow">innokin</a>Abdul barihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02394126800848561337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-88700680852856759732014-01-30T04:12:43.908-08:002014-01-30T04:12:43.908-08:00Vaping bans, misinformation and oppressive regulat...Vaping bans, misinformation and oppressive regulation can do nothing other than dissuade smokers from trying this much safer alternative. <br />What is really needed is for the BMA, WHO and some senior public health "professionals" to stop scaremongering about ecigs. Most vaping bans have used the BMAs stance to inform their policy. If the fact that vaping is much safer than smoking was promoted by these organisations then there would be no need for vaping bans.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14617094428153034008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-41462536715945965182014-01-19T06:28:06.725-08:002014-01-19T06:28:06.725-08:0050 years ago homosexuality was considered an illne...50 years ago homosexuality was considered an illness and treated medically. Can you imagine today trying to ban homosexuals on trains, yet they represent just 3% of the UK population. Smokers represent 20% of the UK population and as has already been highlighted in previous posts there is no credible or logical scientific health reason that provides any justification for any ban of the use of e-cigarettes in public. You may as well try and ban the wearing of perfume or aftershave on the grounds that the smell is not conducive to public health. Prove scientifically that there is a public health risk from the vapour an e-cig produces and I will gladly refrain from vaping in public. If not, I'm just being victimised and discriminated against for the simple reason that I've chosen freely and without breaking any laws to choose to use a safer alternative delivery method of the legal recreational substance that is nicotine. I can accept being vilified, but I won't accept being discriminated against. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06717957107347235477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-36655531893248176592014-01-15T13:22:07.737-08:002014-01-15T13:22:07.737-08:00I second every word Roger said. It's all well ...I second every word Roger said. It's all well and good to talk about compromise, "the art of the possible" or how we can't get everything we want. The thing is though, we didn't want ANYTHING apart from to be left alone.<br /><br />Various people, including senior figures in "public health" NGOs, have told me that being left alone is not an option. Well WHY isn't it an option? There is no problem needing to be solved here. Nobody has got ill from using an e-cig. We heard about the possible hazards of second-hand vapour. It's been tested and there is no hazard. We heard about the "gateway effect." It's been studied and that isn't happening. We've been told we don't know what's in them, which is frankly bollocks.<br /><br />Why should we accept a compromise? Are we supposed to be happy that the current iteration of the TPD only proposes to ban every e-cig that exists, instead of every one that could possibly exist? The authors of this miserable document want to take away some of our freedom for no reason at all. Compromising between the right thing to do and what the EU Commission wanted is not a good outcome. It is not "better than it could have been." It is not even moral. Every compromise between right and wrong is a victory for wrong.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03523094181094382518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-16260272203200789412014-01-15T13:02:11.073-08:002014-01-15T13:02:11.073-08:00Rebacca, Hi…..I feel I really need to get this off...Rebacca, Hi…..I feel I really need to get this off my chest, so:<br /><br />We vapers started vaping off our own backs because we wanted to stop smoking and having tried all other methods we were, well, desperate.<br /><br />NRT doesn’t work, it has something like a 90% failure rate, on the other hand, EVERYONE I know who has tried vape to quit smoking has succeeded by vaping.<br /><br />SO, I tried vaping, and from day one it worked, I haven’t smoked for almost 11 months, and apart from the first week or so, I haven’t felt the need to smoke at all.<br /><br />A few facts:<br /><br />1. It doesn’t cost the state anything directly as we fund out “hobby” ourselves.<br />2. It’s far, far healthier than smoking – 3 fold safer according to a speech in the HoL’s<br />3. It’s safe for everyone around me, I exhale lass Nicotine than you would receive from eating a tomato. It’s probably more dangerous to breath the air in Manchester city centre than vaping. And in fact Propylene Glycol has a natural anti bacterial effect.<br /><br />Then the EU gets involved, and adds Ecigs (I hate that name) to the TPD revisions, why I ask?<br /><br />There is NO evidence that vaping is bad for you, and by evidence I mean real scientific evidence not the lies spouted by the so called “public health” activists. <br /><br />There is already regulations in place for Ecigs – 17 if I remember correctly, the only other we need would be a ban on sales to minors and maybe better QA on the juice itself.<br /><br />It would seem the only reason Ecigs are in the TPD is because of lobbying by organisations that have a vested interest – big Pharma and big tobacco – they have a lot to loose.<br /><br />The MEP’s (in the main) who are deciding the future of vaping do not know enough about the subject, I had to tell Chris Davies that it is impossible to make 20mg juice from 20mg Nic base (you need to add VG and flavours to the PG base therefore lowering the nic content to about 9mg).<br /><br />Then there is the misrepresentation of scientist’s studies by the EU to justify the so called “light touch” regulation. They bang on about the toxicity of Nicotine to justify smaller atomisers, smaller juice bottles and non leak filling systems and ignore recent studies showing Nicotine is a lot less toxic than they assume.<br /><br />Tobacco sales have apparently dropped by 8% this year, attributed to Ecigs sales, the revisions to the TPD were only expected to give a 2% drop, yet Ecigs still do not “fit the bill”?<br /><br />Liberal MEP’s, yourself included are still talking about compromise where there should not be any! Anything less than what we have now WILL be a worse situation for vapers.<br /><br />I could go on and on………….I, and others have come to the conclusion that the situation we are in is down to money, pure and simple. All governments can see is the loss of revenue due to the rise of Ecigs and the drop in tobacco sales. They really do not care about our health, I will continue to try to stop what is happening, but my faith in government is gone, I wont be voting for any party again as they all seem to be the same,<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Roger Ball<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03835865778043483101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-65092887962572151562014-01-13T02:31:24.491-08:002014-01-13T02:31:24.491-08:00Great post. I was checking continuously this blog ...Great post. I was checking continuously this blog and I am impressed! Extremely helpful info specially the last part :) I care for such info much. I was looking for this particular information for a long time. Thank you and best of luck.<br /><a href="http://www.blowhookah.com/BLOW-EZ-Pen_c_20.html" rel="nofollow">E Juice</a>Vape blowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16791983888941370995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-31670250266005989582014-01-03T16:01:04.070-08:002014-01-03T16:01:04.070-08:00Until and unless there is reputable scientific evi...Until and unless there is reputable scientific evidence supportive of ANY restriction, I will accept none. Arbitrary restrictions, based on prejudice, ideology or misunderstanding are wrong, plain and simple... in every language and by every rational measure.<br /><br />There is nothing to compromise on here, Rebecca... except the truth, and to do that fosters repression. Sure, you can argue 'pragmatism' and strike a conciliatory compromise... but with what? Prohibitionists have NO argument. None. They are attempting to impose upon something while lacking evidence and foundation. Compromise with such an invalid view is no more than appeasement, which in this case directly impinges upon freedoms and sets the tone for further baseless prohibition in the future.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521853581409803698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-5199177733356889482014-01-03T15:11:30.071-08:002014-01-03T15:11:30.071-08:00The main ingredient in ecig vapour is propylene gl...The main ingredient in ecig vapour is propylene glycol, approved by the FDA for use as an air sanitiser in hospitals. It could be of benefit to allow ecigs on british hospital wards... might help the fight against super bugs. (ps. Been vaping 5 yrs and havent caught a cold that whole time.I wish someone would research that, as im not the only 1 and it makes sense that the pg would be protective.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358807346265479674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-65206552524740003062014-01-03T15:11:27.900-08:002014-01-03T15:11:27.900-08:00"Designated vaping area e.g. part of a carria..."Designated vaping area e.g. part of a carriage on a train or certain rows of seats on a bus, presumably with the proviso that you cannot vape elsewhere"<br /><br />Err, how do you reckon the anti-smokers elevated a mild irritant which most didn't care about into something people could believe was lethal thanks to tactically designed junk science? Very bad idea.<br /><br />There is nothing bad about vapour, period. That's what should be emphasised, once you start encouraging people to be wary of it you may as well pack up and go home. Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1443219641217444712.post-55286251548934862472014-01-03T10:44:40.122-08:002014-01-03T10:44:40.122-08:00Generally, I agree with most measures, though bein...Generally, I agree with most measures, though being able to vape at my desk would prevent me from being sent to the smoking area (where habit, culture and cravings lead me to smoke). Happy to abstain in meetings or customer facing situations. However, I think it's important to allow patients to vape on hospital wards. This would help many people switch for good & avoid patients making risky journeys outside to smokeGenealogy Geniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349656990748459835noreply@blogger.com